Kit + schematic = Help Needed

Hi,

 

   Bought a 3 in one kit with vu meter, light detector and temperature gauge.

Parts:

 

3x preformatted project boards (a15)

5x Blue 3mm LEDs

4x AN6884 ICs

5x Green 3mm LEDs

3x 18 pin dip sockets

5x Yellow 3mm LEDs

2x 12v spdt relays 

5x Red 3mm LEDs

2x 1N4148 diodes

5x Orange 3mm LEDs

2x 2N3906 PNP transistors

2x 500K 6mm trimmers 

8x 100 ohms 1/4w resistor

4x 10K 6mm trimmers

1x foot 24awg solid yellow wire

4x 10k 1/4w resistors

1x foot 24awg solid black wire

4x 4.7uf 25v elect caps

1x foot 24awg stranded Red wire

2x 2.2uf 16v elect caps 

1x foot 24awg Green stranded wire

1x 4 push terminal (a13)

2x feet 24awg Yellow stranded wire

2x 2 push terminals (a14)

2x feet 24awg Black stranded wire

1x 10K OHM NTC Thermistor

1x KE10720 Photo Conductive Cell 650nm (missing, using my 10k one)

 

 

 Got the schematics by e-mail http://minus.com/lyGZ10FPFn7J2 , only problem is that i'm a absolute begginer and can't quite make heads or tails of it. Specially with the 10k resistor or trimmer, how to wire the trimmers and relay

 

 

Re: diagrams vs parts

Resistors have no polarity. You can put them in the circuit any which way.

Trimmers, aka Potentiometers(?), have three leads. One lead is the wiper, the arrow in the schematic, and, two more leads. Like a resistor, it doesn’t matter which way you put the other two leads in the circuit. Just be sure to connect the wiper to the right point.

Could we see a pic of the relay? I would imagine there is a diagram on the body of the relay itself. If there is, you should be able to follow the diagram and connect it the same way it is shown in the schematic.

http://minus.com/llhvPr9YRNvl

http://minus.com/llhvPr9YRNvlT relay photo

 

can’t figure out if there are 10k  trimmer or resistor or both and who goes where

did some searching and the

did some searching and the relay still bugs me the rest figured out :slight_smile:

For grins

could you look at the underside of the relay? Does it have a schematic imprinted on the bottom?

No just the 5 pins… and to

No just the 5 pins… and to the right its a 1k resistor right? Dont have any in the kit…

Since I can’t seem to find a datasheet for your relays,

I will offer my assistance the only way I know how. Relays work by energizing a coil and moving a lever/switch. When there is no voltage going through the coil the switch/lever will be laying away from the coil. When you energize, apply power, to the coil, the switch/lever will be pulled toward the coil and make a different connection.

That said, if you look at the schematic diagram, the relay is shown to have 5 connection points. 2 for the coil with a diode between them, 1 for the switch/lever, and 1 each for the circuits you will have control over. Take a multimeter and set it to either continuity, or, resistance/ohms. You will find that you have 2 pair of contacts that are closed circuits. 2 of those contacts are the relay coil. I believe they will show a fair bit of resistance. The other 2 will show almost no resistance. They are the switch/lever and the normally open (NO) pins. The pin that shows no resistance, aka open circuit, will be the normally closed (NC) pin. I would hope that, if there is no diagram on the relay, that the pin layout will assist you in figuring out which pins are for what.

If you are really lucky, someone smarter than myself will give you even better information. :slight_smile:

set the multimeter to ohm

set the multimeter to ohm and got this http://minus.com/lbu4dExfqFFHIE 

 

the lines represent that when i touched the pins the value changed on my multimeter (set it to 200) should i connect the left ones together for bottom ? as in the schematic ?

update

With Vendor70’s help I managed to locate the datasheet for your relays.

http://nb-bole.com/uploads/soft/110823/HK3FF.pdf

If you scroll to page 2 at the bottom you will see 1 Form A and 1 Form C. Your relays are of the 1 Form C variety. The side with 3 pins has the coil pins on the outside and the switch/lever pin in the middle. The other side with 2 pins will be the NO and NC pins.

What I am talking about

Screenshot-iyGZ10FPFn7J2png26642128-GoogleChrome.png

The 1N4148 is a diode. I could say it is a snubber/flyback diode, but, I don't want to confuse you. :)

so the wireing should be

so the wireing should be like this ? http://minus.com/l878WUTk6zi2a

No. From the looks of the schematic,

it should look like the image on the right.

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It would seem from the schematic that the relay isn't doing anything more than clicking.

is it me or is the relay

is it me or is the relay useles ?

 

shouldn’t it be something like this to do something ? http://minus.com/lG4a4G3k8C3nE

 

and the diode is so the current goes one way but wouldn’t it go both way’s on the relay’s coil ?

Re: relay

You have the relay drawn up correctly this run through, but, in the schematic you provided at the beginning there is no signal being passed through it other than making the switch/lever move back and forth. I read about a clock on hackaday that uses a relay for nothing more than a mechanical tic-toc like a second hand.

Re: diode.

Check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyback_diode 
I can’t really do much more than point to information for you to read. I have read about them many times, not yet had to use one. If the page I linked to doesn’t help, you have at least three choices. You may accept that the schematic says to place a diode in that orientation and move on with your life, possibly asking yourself why again later. You may research the reason for the diode more on your own. Or, you may find a much more expert person to answer your questions than me. :slight_smile:

Also, regarding the photo links you continue to post. If you were to click on the photo in the links you will get a page that simply has the photo. When you are posting a question or answering, you may actually click on the little square icon in the top bar of this message window that looks like a tree right next to the boat anchor. It will bring up a window that you can then paste your direct link to the photo image and it will appear in your question/answer. It will save a lot of bouncing back and forth. :slight_smile:

When I say direct link I mean http://i.minus.com/iG4a4G3k8C3nE.jpg and not http://minus.com/lG4a4G3k8C3nE . Realize that forums are persistent, meaning you can go back 4 years to the beginning of this site. You might do that to find the answer to a question you have sometime. If you did, you would hope that any questions/answers with images were persistant. :slight_smile: I am saying this to suggest you don’t use a site that gets rid of images after a time period, because at a later date someone going back to try to find answers to their questions won’t be able to figure out what is going on if your images aren’t there. :slight_smile:

thank you for all the help

thank you for all the help learned alot :D 

 

ps. from now will post images on the forum directly